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If you've paired home solar with EV charging, what's that actually looked like for you?

phelan_t
I've got solar with a Tesla inverter, and I'll say up front that my biggest regret is not putting a Powerwall 3 or similar battery in with the original install. The reason is simple: we've had unanticipated power outages in the last 18 months, and with no battery the solar does nothing for us when the grid goes down. I didn't think outages would be a real factor when I signed, and they have been. The other piece is the daytime surplus. If you've got an EV and solar, there's a good chance you're producing more than you're using while you're at work, and without storage that just goes back to the grid. With a battery you can hold it and use it in the evening instead of importing. Depending on your import/export rates the savings per kWh may not be huge (for some setups it's around .10/kWh on whatever surplus you can store), but it's there and it adds up. The part that really stings is the cost of doing it later. I got quotes to swap from the Tesla inverter over to a Powerwall setup and they came in around $9-10K US. Going with the Powerwall from the start would have only been an additional $3-4K US. So I'm looking at paying roughly two to three times as much to fix a decision I made at install. So my answer to the question of what I'd do differently: if you're even leaning toward solar, price the battery in at the same time as the panels, even if you don't think you need it. Retrofitting is where they get you. I'm curious what others have run into, especially those of you who added a battery after the fact. Did you find a way to do it for less than $9-10K? And for people who did it all at once, did the battery change how you charge the EV (daytime vs overnight), or did you mostly just use it for backup?
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vhollowell
@vhollowellOctober 30, 2026
Fwiw on the V2L part, my Ioniq 5 has enough in the pack to charge my two home batteries a couple of times over, but it's only 120V V2L, so getting that energy out is slow and it's not much use for real backup. I'd check whether yours does 240V before counting on it. On NEM3 the battery has mostly paid off for me by soaking up daytime solar so I'm not importing at night, rather than off-peak arbitrage. Without panels I'm not sure the math works.
mgentry_62
@mgentry_62October 30, 2026
Yeah, the bill thing caught me off guard. My first one after getting the Bolt basically doubled. We have a swamp cooler, no AC, so the bill was low to begin with. Haven't looked at a full year yet though, only the one summer month.
tdavenport_
@tdavenport_October 29, 2026
Credits carrying you through winter sounds nice. I'm not there yet. My Tesla panels have been on the roof for months but the utility still hasn't given PTO, so the Bolt is still charging off the grid. Daily commute in the Bolt EUV, so I'm paying for that grid power while the panels just sit there.
jrowland_52
@jrowland_52October 30, 2026
Ugh, that's rough. I never even got panels up. My Tesla solar project got cancelled when the loan was denied, so the Prime's 30 miles of battery range still comes from the grid. Just a plug-in hybrid, so it's a small load, but still annoying.
tosgood_09
@tosgood_09October 30, 2026
Another PG&E solar data point. We've had panels for several years and our bill is usually $0 outside winter. We got a used Kona last month and I expected to start owing in summer. I've only been doing Level 1 over the weekend, plugged in Friday evening to early Sunday, and the latest PG&E text still said $0.00. So for a modest daily commute, the car didn't change much for us. I haven't set up Level 2 yet, so I can't say how it looks with faster charging.
gmertens_
@gmertens_October 29, 2026
To the original question, I did this in 2018 and would do it again. I've got two EVs, no gas cars, and I charge at home most of the time. My bill has been $0 since the panels went in, charging included. My city uses a value-of-solar tariff rather than net metering, so I get paid a set rate for what the panels produce instead of banking credits. It's worth checking which one your utility uses, since it changes how you'd size the system. I used a zero-down loan, and the payment came out lower than the roughly $200/month I was paying before, so I was ahead from the start.
pdalgleish
@pdalgleishOctober 30, 2026
Not OP, but I'm in a similar spot, just with net metering and two Powerwalls. The Powerwalls put basically all my usage at off-peak ($0.19) anyway, and the only reason I run over my production is charging the car overnight. Without it I'd be about 3000 kWh/yr net negative. I got a quote for 11 panels for $20k and my payback math came out around 63 years, so I'm still on the fence. With your $0.04 overnight rate I'd guess it's even harder to justify.
jcabrera_21
@jcabrera_21October 30, 2026
Weekday daytime charging is basically free for me since I just turn the EVSE down to 10A so it stays under what the panels are making. Weekends are the problem, I'm out in the car so it's overnight only and that pulls from the grid. NEM 3 pays me about $0.03 for exports so I'm not trying to size for the cars, just to use as much as I can directly. The $41k quote I got for 12 more panels and two Powerwall 3s feels like overkill to me. Has anyone done just one battery and been happy with it?
bwentz_44
@bwentz_44October 30, 2026
Haven't done a battery, so not a direct answer. But my 21 panels cover my whole electric usage including the EV charger, and I've gotten by without one. If your grid is reliable I'd hold off on spending $41k on two Powerwalls. If I ever added one I'd look at salt batteries over lithium, since they should last longer.
rkessing_
@rkessing_October 30, 2026
Nice that your panels cover the charger too, that's the result I'd hoped for. Meanwhile, charging the Leaf and Rivian has nudged my electric bill up even with the SolarEdge system, so I'm not sure what I'm really saving. No battery here either, so I should probably dig into the import and export numbers before I say anything about sizing.
rkirkland_
@rkirkland_October 30, 2026
Late to this, but one thing I'd add to the sizing talk: I have 1:1 net metering and a Tesla, and I work from home, so on a good day my ground mount panels can make around 50kWh. Once the car is full I'm often sitting at 11am with nowhere to put the power. I end up dumping my 20kWh of batteries into my wife's EV when she gets home. So if you're home during the day, a second EV or a bigger battery is where the extra production actually gets used. I'd size for that, not just for the car.
tmoncada_
@tmoncada_October 30, 2026
This is more or less the setup I'm trying to plan around, except I'm in Spain and don't have the car or charger yet. 12x500W panels, 19.4 kWh of batteries, 5 kW inverter, and the batteries are usually full by 11 am in summer, 2 pm in winter. I only do about 300 km a week, so I'm hoping to leave it charging for hours on weekends and maybe 1-1.5 h at lunch on weekdays instead of adding panels (I could add 4-6 if needed). Do you limit the charge rate, or let the car take whatever it wants once the batteries are full?
tmorrell_62
@tmorrell_62October 30, 2026
I limit it, yeah. I don't let the car take whatever it wants, I keep it as a slow charge so the load stays around 1200w and the batteries don't get hammered. At that 1200w slow rate my setup gets me roughly 30kWh a day at best, so the miles per day depend a lot on how many panels you can feed it.
mdearing_72
@mdearing_72October 30, 2026
I'm the opposite problem in DFW. About 17 kW of panels and two Powerwall 2s from 2020, and most of my import is overnight EV and battery charging. I'm looking at a free-nights plan where I'd grid-charge the Powerwalls and run the house off them during the day. My current plan locks the battery settings, so I can't test whether that works until I've already switched. Has anyone run a Powerwall that way?
kellner_p
@kellner_pOctober 30, 2026
Interesting plan. When my power went out, the batteries really only got used at night. The array still made 1-2 kW on grey PNW days and the house just ran off that. So I'd be a bit wary of charging the EV during peak sun if it means the Powerwalls don't fill. On a cloudy day it's probably the car that wins that fight. Do you have the EV set to wait until the batteries are full?
dgarrido_44
@dgarrido_44October 30, 2026
I'm in the same boat on the car vs battery question, my EV just takes whatever it wants. I don't have a fix for that part. What I do is run the batteries to time shift and export at night, which makes decent money for me. Daytime exports are what got killed here, we get penalised for them right when the panels peak, so I'd rather the battery fill first. Worth watching a grey day like you said.
mkessing_09
@mkessing_09October 30, 2026
On the car vs battery question, my SolarEdge charger is supposed to have a mode that only uses excess solar. I've picked the option to not draw from the house battery, and it still pulls from the battery anyway. After two years I'd call it an expensive standard charger. If you're counting on a charger's own setting to put the battery first, I'd test it on a grey day and watch where the power actually comes from before trusting it.
nwray_31
@nwray_31October 31, 2026
Adding a V2X angle since this thread is mostly about the car vs battery fight. I have a 16.4 kWh Sigenergy battery with REC panels, and a Sigenergy V2X added later. The PV overflow is great, since excess solar goes into the car instead of the grid, and the 25 kW home charging is nice. But I'd be careful about counting on vehicle-to-home. My Model 3 worked at the start, then recently stopped sending charge to the house, and my EQE hasn't been able to power the home either. If you're planning around the car as backup, I'd check that it works in practice first.
hollin_r
@hollin_rOctober 30, 2026
I only have one Powerwall (added to existing non-Tesla solar), so just my experience. When the grid is up it will charge the car, even though a couple of reps told me one wouldn't. During a blackout it won't charge the EV at all, and I was told you need multiple Powerwalls for that. If you only care about topping off overnight, one might do it, but if backup EV charging matters I'd plan the battery count around that.
pgalvin_77
@pgalvin_77October 30, 2026
The one-Powerwall blackout limit is kind of what has me looking around. Part of why I'm leaning Franklin over Tesla is that my Tesla solar is installed but still waiting on the utility's permission to turn on, so it isn't doing anything yet. Anyone know if Franklin has the same issue charging an EV when the grid's down? My car has no V2L, so the battery would have to do all the work.
dwight_sayer
@dwight_sayerOctober 30, 2026
Went a different direction from most of this thread. I have a completely off grid box (I call it the powervault) in a container, and it charges our EV sufficiently for our use, so no export rates or net metering to think about. Winter is the part I'm still working on. I'm planning to insulate it to keep the battery box warm, aiming for R-12 or better so it only needs minimal wattage.
greg_halpin
@greg_halpinOctober 29, 2026
Mine's much smaller and still very much a hobby project, but I'm charging the Model X off an Anker F3800 Plus right now. The workshop gets first dibs and the car just soaks up whatever's left over. I start it from my phone at 5-10A depending on the day, and it took the car from 15% to 50% over about four days. Slow, but nothing gets wasted. Haven't had to think about cold weather yet, so the winter battery part of your setup is what I'd be curious how it goes.
jtobler_58
@jtobler_58October 30, 2026
Same kind of setup here, tiny and not really worth the money. I tried charging my Volt off a 1kW Anker battery and only got a mile or two out of it, so I figure you'd need something like 10kW of storage to really fill it. Your Duracell box will probably do the same, so I wouldn't expect much from it. The factory Volt charger also doesn't like the dirty power some battery packs put out, so check that your box works with the car's own charger before you count on it.
marc_denholm
@marc_denholmOctober 30, 2026
Yeah, 1kW is why you only got a mile or two. I run a Jackery 5000 with a 10kWh setup and a 20A EVSE, and it does fine on my Tesla, but only because I keep it at 8-12A in the afternoon. Cloudy days are the annoying part. The station runs low and I end up dropping the rate or just stopping. I've only pulled from the grid 3 or 4 times this year, so I'm okay with that.
rkaspar_19
@rkaspar_19October 30, 2026
Yeah, cloudy days are where mine struggles too. I'm on a Delta 3 Pro into the Tesla. It's the split phase 240V out that lets it charge the car directly, which is why I went that route. The charge rate is still all by hand for me, so I'm trying to figure out how to automate it. Do you adjust yours manually or have it scripted somehow?
lmcnair_82
@lmcnair_82October 30, 2026
Manual here too, no scripting. Mine's a 1,200W plug-in array at my father-in-law's, and the way I keep it simple is the EV charge schedule. I just keep the car from charging during the sunny hours when the panels are already feeding that circuit. Haven't tried automating the rate, but a Delta 3 Pro seems like it'd be a lot more fiddly than my setup.
nlindqvist_8
@nlindqvist_8October 30, 2026
On automating the rate, I do it with Home Assistant on an OpenEVSE, throttling to follow solar. Fair warning though, my OpenEVSE sometimes ignores the rate Home Assistant sets and pulls more than the solar is giving, so it still takes some babysitting.
nick_aldana
@nick_aldanaOctober 30, 2026
Reading the Delta 3 Pro and Jackery setups here, I tried a Delta 2 with two Bluetti panels on my Model 3 and my old Volt and neither would charge. The car or charger kept throwing some error about grounding. The reason I tried the EcoFlow setup at all is that my Tesla solar project stalled after the loan got denied, and I still have no answers on it. Did the Delta 3 Pro give you any grounding errors with the Tesla, or did it just work?
tvoland_19
@tvoland_19October 30, 2026
Haven't tried a Delta 2 or 3 Pro, so I can't say on the grounding errors. I did hit a compatibility wall with a bidirectional charger though. I asked if the Ford Lightning one would work with my non-Ford EV and was told it's VIN locked to the Lightning. It was a letdown to find out the hardware I was looking at was locked down that way when I'd assumed the standard would make it work. Your grounding error sounds like the same kind of thing, where the car is picky about what's feeding it. I'd ask EcoFlow support about your exact car before buying anything else.
dhargis_44
@dhargis_44October 30, 2026
The car being picky about what feeds it is real. My 2014 Leaf SV would end the charge session whenever the EVSE power dipped, on both a 120V L1 and a 240V L2 EVSE. With solar output wobbling on cloudy days, I'd want to know how the car handles that before spending on any gear. Related, our SDGE bill has crept up since we hit three EVs, and even with TOU rates I'm honestly not sure what we're really saving versus gas.
leif_s
@leif_sOctober 30, 2026
Smart to get a separate meter on it. I have a few Enphase CTs that aren't showing the right consumption, so I don't trust my app numbers for sizing anything. Did the Emporia readings line up with your PG&E bill?
ncolebrook
@ncolebrookOctober 31, 2026
Different situation from most here, I'm in Dominion territory with solar and a Rivian. Even driving it a lot (a 20 degree weekend plus a run across DC and back), the Rivian is only about $60 of our normal monthly bill, so the charging load wasn't the scary part. Our winter bills are pretty low anyway, so I'm counting on net metering credits to carry us through winter. Check how your utility handles credits before you size anything.
mtanner_81
@mtanner_81October 30, 2026
this is kind of reassuring. my parents have a 4kW system in San Jose and a Tesla with no charger, because my dad's scared of PG&E rate changes. I've been trying to convince him home charging can make sense, and after digging through the rate plans and NEM 3.0 stuff I still can't tell if switching to an EV plan would save them anything. Did you stay on your existing plan for the Level 1 charging, or switch to something like EV2?
lroessler58
@lroessler58October 30, 2026
Curious about the zero-down loan part. My situation is a bit different because I already load shift and only charge the EV overnight at $0.04/kWh instead of $0.14 during the day, so the car itself is cheap to run and I'm trying to figure out what solar adds on top. Did your payment really come out under what you were paying before, with two EVs in the mix? And with the value-of-solar tariff, did you size to cover the cars or just whatever the roof could fit?
kallard_71
@kallard_71October 31, 2026
Does that 1200W slow-charge setup show you production anywhere? I'm still planning a small panel setup and my charger's docs say it can charge a battery at 35A, so I figured it could take PV input at that level too. But it won't report what the panels can actually make, so I'd need a separate meter for that. What are you using to see it?
rbaines_62
@rbaines_62October 30, 2026
Not tried it, mine are only a couple weeks old. But on NEM 3.0 I'm planning the opposite, fill the Powerwalls and charge the EV during peak sun and let the batteries carry 4-9 and overnight. I don't have numbers yet since I haven't had a full day of sun. The locked settings thing would worry me too, I'd want to know whether I could switch back if the free nights plan doesn't work out.
jmoss_17
@jmoss_17October 30, 2026
Honestly I haven't set mine up to wait for the batteries, so I can't say which one wins. I'm only a couple of months in with panels, a Powerwall and a charger, and I'm still pretty new to all of this. Your cloudy-day point makes me think I should check what actually happens on a grey day instead of assuming it works out. If anyone knows the right way to prioritize the Powerwall over the car, I'd like to hear it. I'm sure I've got some of this wrong.
mgodwin_
@mgodwin_October 31, 2026
Does the V2H thing flaking out change whether it's worth sizing a stationary battery to top off the car overnight? We use about 20 kWh a day and only charge overnight, so I was leaning toward just buying the capacity instead of counting on the car. Not sure how big it'd need to be though.
pnewell_
@pnewell_October 30, 2026
I've got a Duracell solar/grid-input box from Costco that I bought a few years ago for outages. It's been sitting there, and I'm about to hook my two regular panels up to it for topping off the car. Not thrilled about the battery in the middle eating some of it, but the stuff is already paid for. What I haven't checked is the operating temp range, and my garage is detached with proper cold winters, so it may end up being a spring-to-fall thing.