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Observations on 12V/ICCU failures.

mortensen_l
Yes, I know, yet another ICCU/12V thread. But I'm an electrical engineer who does failure analysis and troubleshooting for a living, so I can't stop wondering about this. Edit: All of this is murky enough that I put together a graphic to explain it. Most people know an EV still needs a low-voltage battery to run vehicle systems and survive long periods asleep. On E-GMP cars, the ICCU is what charges that 12V battery. It connects straight to the HV battery, the 12V battery, the rear-seat AC outlet, and the AC pins of the charge port. The DC pins skip the ICCU entirely; they go through the rear inverter first and then reach the battery through relays. Inside the ICCU are two main circuits. One is a bidirectional AC-DC converter, used for AC charging the HV battery and for V2L. The other is a DC-DC converter (the LDC) that steps the HV battery voltage down to 12-14.5V for the auxiliary battery. That converter is indifferent to where its input comes from, since it just hangs off the DC side of the AC-DC converter, so it can be fed by the HV battery or by the AC-DC converter depending on the situation. Both circuits tie to the HV battery through a fuse, and that's the one that blows in an ICCU failure. That explains why AC charging and 12V charging both stop when it fails, although in theory DC charging should still be electrically possible. The NHTSA recall campaign says warranty parts that were inspected had failed FETs in the LDC circuit. If that's accurate, then how we AC charge or use V2L shouldn't matter, because that circuit isn't what's dying. What, then, is the failure mode? HMG looked into over-current conditions as a possible cause of LDC failure, but the result seems to have been inconclusive. My own guess is a built-in weakness in the buck converter design that produces transients, over-voltage or over-current, which destroy the FET. Once the FET fails it becomes a short to a lower voltage or to ground, and that blows the fuse between the battery and the ICCU. A 170A fuse sits between the LDC output and most circuits; exceptions are the interior 12V sockets (each with its own 20A fuse), the front and rear electric oil pumps, and the tailgate motor. I've not heard of any fuse other than the main ICCU input fuse needing replacement, so the short to ground is probably inside the LDC circuit itself and not out on the 12V rail, given that the main fuse for this circuit has to be larger than the rail fuses. What could trigger a failure? Battery rail voltage fluctuating, the LDC's output current or load changing, shifts in the LDC's target output voltage, and the temperature of its components. That's four constantly varying inputs affecting the buck converter, and it only takes one edge case pushing voltage, temperature, or current too high to blow a FET. I'm assuming a short to ground, because a short to the 12V rail would likely do catastrophic damage everywhere, though strong over-voltage protection on the output might also draw enough current to blow the fuse. Either way, it's hard to pin down exact triggering conditions, but there are a few things owners can actually do or keep in mind. First, LDC temperature is directly linked to the AC-DC/DC-AC converter's temperature. If there's a lot of heat there and the LDC suddenly has to work hard, trouble could result. It's a paranoid step, but cutting 12V loads right after long V2L sessions or AC charging may reduce that risk. Second, the condition of your 12V battery. My 12V battery died fairly quickly not long ago, so my ICCU was working hard to keep it topped up. After I switched to an ohmmu LFP battery, which sits at a notably higher voltage, the 12V charging pattern changed from "slow but frequent" to "infrequent but fast." I'm not sure why, but however the car calibrated, it now alternates between pushing about 1kW through the LDC and putting out exactly zero, leaving the battery to carry all 12V loads for stretches. That's strange, and I never saw it with two vehicles that had their original lead-acid batteries. My gut says this on/off behavior isn't good, so if someone must replace their 12V, I'd lean toward recommending AGM (assuming the behavior comes from ohmmu/li-ion batteries with their built-in BMS). Third, sport mode plays into this somehow. The 12V charging logic in sport mode differs from eco or normal. For some reason it pins the LDC output at maximum and charges the 12V as aggressively as it can. Nothing I know of links this to any ICCU failures, but it's worth knowing. Fourth, charging on a 400V architecture heats the OBC/LDC. I'm not totally sure why. Even in winter temperatures, the LDC quickly climbed above 50°C during a 30 minute Supercharger session. The circuitry doesn't explain it, because the boost conversion occurs in the rear motor inverter. Best I can tell, the ICCU shares a coolant loop with the rear motor inverter, so their temperatures track each other. Long 400V charging sessions or doing it in hot weather could overheat components. My main conclusion: there's very little reason for anyone to alter how they drive or charge. The one real recommendation is to keep the 12V battery healthy so the LDC doesn't need to work as hard, as often, or under odd, unpredictable conditions. People should just use their cars as they need to. And if anyone has OBD sensor logs from a car that suffered an ICCU failure, I'd really like to see them. On the subject of a healthy 12V, I suspect those of us (me included) who have had to jump our cars are victims of the car's algorithm. One user said the algorithm ignores 12V drain while the vehicle sleeps and only wakes the car to charge when a timer, set by when it expects the 12V to be low, runs out. Apply that to a failing lead-acid battery and the car assumes the battery will hold charge for a set time, but it drains far faster than expected and is too low by the time the car next wakes. That value comes from some calibration, so disconnecting and reconnecting the 12V leads might recalibrate it for your weak battery and buy a bit more time. More generally, I think a good fix is a high-quality battery plus forcing a calibration routine now and then as it ages, perhaps once or twice a year. TL;DR If the ICCU failure reports are right, the faulty circuit is the LDC DC-DC converter, which has a single job: when the car is on, convert high voltage to 12V for the aux battery. The best ways to reduce risk are probably keeping a healthy 12V (AGM looks like the best choice), limiting 400V charging, and keeping 12V loads low right afterward (within about 10 minutes) after 400V charging or long AC charging or discharging. For repeat offenders that have killed several ICCUs, it's difficult to say. Loose wiring in the power relay assembly, at the LDC output or ground, or some other fault on the vehicle's 12V system could be responsible.
Filed under: Hyundai Ioniq 5 Charging
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ozzy_lenk
@ozzy_lenkNovember 05, 2026
The ICCU logic has clearly been changed quite a bit recently. My EV6 has aftermarket exterior lighting pulling roughly 90-110W continuously. Last year, with the stock battery and around 8k miles on the car, I left the lights on for about 6 hours and it drained the battery so far that the car wouldn't start. A few months and roughly 25k miles later, my ICCU failed and was replaced, which came with the logic update, and I swapped the stock battery for an AGM. Since then I've accidentally left the lights on twice, once for 9 hours and once for 15, doors locked and car not plugged in. Both times the ICCU woke whenever the battery dropped to about 12.1V and recharged it to around 13.2V before shutting off again. During the longer, 15 hour mistake, it topped up the 12V battery 3 times while the car sat parked. From what I've seen, the updated logic is much more attentive.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Would you mind running the ECU identification function in Car Scanner and posting what it reports for your ICCU? Mine is the original unit and runs the latest version listed in the recall paperwork, so I'm curious whether newer versions exist that they didn't want to roll out to every car again. I never saw behavior like yours; my car just let the 12V fall to 7V and did nothing about it.
gus_wilcox
@gus_wilcoxNovember 05, 2026
I looked in Car Scanner Pro and there's no entry labeled ICCU. What is it listed as?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Look for "4WD #1 / OnBoard Charger (Hybrid/EV)". It gives a lot of detail, including part number, date of manufacture, software version, and more.
jason_tilley
@jason_tilleyNovember 05, 2026
Do you have any photos of the lights? They sound cool!
ross_pelletier
@ross_pelletierNovember 06, 2026
A German EV forum has an excellent, detailed thread on this, and Google Translate handles it fine. They dig deep. The overall picture seems to be bad design choices: control loops that are poorly implemented, very little thermal margin, and a layout that handles EMC badly.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
I only just opened this and there's already a huge amount of detail. It strikes me as wild how little solid information is out there on the topic, as everyone seems to be guessing. I do get the reason, though. With power electronics troubleshooting, working out the "cause of death" is usually really hard. You can find evidence of what happened, like shorted FETs or damaged gate drivers, but figuring out how it came about is a completely different matter.
ned_quarles
@ned_quarlesNovember 05, 2026
I haven't even opened that thread, but just seeing how many electrolytic caps are packed into this thing makes me nervous about how long it'll last.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Put the photos from this teardown next to the ones from ed's garage and the two units clearly look different. I'm aware the ICCU differs between NA/EU and other regions, but my guess is that this is really about age. What he labeled as the DC-DC converter IC in his unit happens to be identical to a part that goes into products my company designs. That circuit is among the most troublesome in our lineup, so much so that we're removing it altogether from our next-gen products. I can't verify that he identified the chip correctly, though. Its package shape is quite distinctive, and I can't spot it anywhere in Ed's garage's teardown of an NA ICCU. So I'm hoping that this IC isn't what's in our vehicles.
ross_pelletier
@ross_pelletierNovember 05, 2026
Are you certain about that? Looking at Ed's Garage teardown, I can see the very same distinctive LT3752 package. What I do notice is that the capacitor banks differ. The silk screen on the control boards is also not the same: Ed's photo seems to show a 2022.04.13 date stamp, whereas the German Forum board reads 2020.10.13. I'm an EE as well, though my work is low-power wireless wearables, so this is orders of magnitude beyond the power supplies I deal with!
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
I've just realized the package is definitely on the control board, which I didn't expect. Nobody puts such a high-power, sensitive control stage off-board, much less routes all the sensitive signals through a flex cable. To me that design seems completely crazy. Around 90% of my company's products use the LT3753 to step a 12-36V input up to 54V DC-DC. The engineer who designed that circuit has since left, and nobody remaining really knows what he did or why, so it's a headache for us. I've watched it fail in several ways, but the most relevant one is that it takes out the low-side FET on the input transformer, the one that draws current through the transformer's primary. It always fails as a short to ground. Applying that same behavior to the ICCU would put the HV battery DC input to the LDC shorted to ground, which matches 1000% with what's seen in most ICCU failures: the LDC dies and the resulting short blows the fuse between the power relay assembly and the ICCU. We've also seen it destroy components directly attached to it, which here would be the rest of the DC-DC circuitry ahead of the 12V LDC output. That's probably a second failure mode in play, and you'd recognize it by 12V charging failing while AC charging still works and the fuse is intact. I'm increasingly convinced this is the exact point of failure in the circuit.
pat_wexcombe
@pat_wexcombeNovember 05, 2026
Gotta love it when someone drops a whole thesis on a forum.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
To be fair, there's barely any consensus on this problem online, mostly just guesses, and I don't have a better way to pass along what I know. I just wanted to add some clarity and share what I've pieced together.
pat_wexcombe
@pat_wexcombeNovember 05, 2026
No worries, man, do your thing. There isn't really a right or wrong way to forum. If you're open to a suggestion (feel free to ignore it), try putting a two-sentence tl;dr at the top or bottom so people get your main point quickly. A lot of us see a big block of text with little context and just bounce without saying why. I spend more time on forums than I'd like to admit, yet I rarely linger on any single post.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Fully agree. I'm planning to put together some graphics and write a condensed version, but everything was swirling in my head and I had to get it written down before I forgot it 😅
lhines_63
@lhines_63November 05, 2026
I went through the whole thing since it's a subject I want to learn about.
oscar_denholm
@oscar_denholmNovember 05, 2026
Exactly. I usually skip long posts too (even though I write plenty of them myself), but this subject really interests me, so I read it word for word. Thanks for the thesis, OP. A lot of us really enjoyed it.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Someone helped out by adding my little graphic and a TL;DR to the post. The overall picture still isn't great, because the findings remain inconclusive, but putting a puzzle like this together just takes time.
owen_pickett
@owen_pickettNovember 05, 2026
Agreed. Anyone who can't be bothered to read the entire post should skip commenting and move along. And if reading just isn't their thing, maybe TikTok is a better fit.
vwalton_63
@vwalton_63November 06, 2026
Honestly the ICCU is the main reason I haven't bought an EV6 yet, so I'm grateful for the detail you've put together. Little else seems to go wrong with these cars very often, which is exactly why this problem stands out. Here in Colorado we sometimes get severe weather, and the last thing I'd want is for my car to leave me stuck in a blizzard!
kessa_wynn
@kessa_wynnNovember 06, 2026
I haven't installed the recall update yet. Is there anything I could log from my driving that would help you collect information?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Actually, yes. Using CarScanner, record all sensors for a short while before you start driving, then drive normally with some stop-and-go, then switch to sport mode and repeat the same driving, and finally keep recording while the car sits stationary. That would help a lot. The easiest way to capture every sensor is to open the "all sensors" menu once connected; as far as I remember, that makes it write all of them to the log continuously.
rsimmons_
@rsimmons_November 06, 2026
The car has charging logic that tries to perform maintenance (desulfation) on the stock 12v battery. Here's a drive in normal mode using a stock battery. Sport/GT mode either cuts back or entirely removes this maintenance "feature." With the Ohmmu lithium battery installed, when the car lowers its 12v output it still sees the Ohmmu's high voltage, so it thinks the battery is fully charged, stops sending power to the 12v line, and leaves the Ohmmu to carry the whole 12v load. When the Ohmmu falls to roughly 75% state of charge (according to the Ohmmu app), the car resumes charging at about 1-1.5kW. Because it's lithium, the Ohmmu copes with these swings fine. I expected the FETs to be stressed more in this situation, but so far there's no problem. The Ohmmu also appears to take in charge much more efficiently than the stock battery does; in other words, if the LDC delivers 500W of power to the battery, a larger share of it actually ends up charging an Ohmmu than a lead-acid battery.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Wow, your voltage fluctuates far more than anything I saw. Mine usually swung between 13 and 14v, not 12 and 14v. Looking back at my old data, though, the warning signs were there: after unplugging from a DC charger, my 12v sagged to about 11.5V until I restarted the car and the LDC kicked in again. Myself, I plan to buy an AGM so I can watch how the car behaves with that type of battery.
dave_ostrander
@dave_ostranderNovember 06, 2026
Do you have any thoughts on Ohmmu's sodium batteries? Would you consider them a better choice than an AGM?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Corbin (the Ioniq guy) just posted that the 2025 EV6 he's borrowed for a week shipped with an AGM battery. So it's reasonable to assume AGM is the right way to go.
lyle_brandeis
@lyle_brandeisNovember 05, 2026
Nice analysis. Given how little data we have, I lean toward thinking ICCU failures come from how the 12v battery gets charged. HMG changed the 12v charging logic for a reason, drawing on far more data than we have, so I figure they're heading in the right direction. About sport mode, I wondered if it might work the other way around: sport mode keeps charging the 12v hard so it never gets very low, while ECO mode saves HV battery by charging the 12v less often or at lower amperage but for longer stretches. It's just anecdotal, but a lot of the ICCU failure photos I see seem to involve cars that were in ECO mode. It would also be interesting to compare OBD data from charging a healthy 12v against a known weak one. Does the amperage get pushed higher to compensate?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Logged data from my car shows that a weak 12v battery doesn't get much help from the system. Only seconds after the battery read 7V, I'd expect a hard push of current into it, but that never happened. Within about 45 seconds of jumping the car, the battery current actually went negative, meaning the battery was being drained. Then I switched on sport mode, and it immediately changed: the LDC output locked at 14.5V and held perfectly steady. In the graph, the spots where the voltage climbs and stays flat at 14.9V are the times sport mode was on. The contrast is dramatic and impossible to miss.
lyle_brandeis
@lyle_brandeisNovember 06, 2026
Great data, and that difference really stands out. It looks like roughly 70A or more flows the instant sport mode is engaged. I'm curious whether that first spike could cause trouble, for example if heavy 12v loads like seat heaters were already running when the charging kicked in. My understanding was that the recall changed the charging logic to cut down on spikes, so what would that initial surge look like on an ICCU that never received the software update?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
I can't say for sure, but I suspect the logic change targeted moments when the LDC output fell to zero. If the output restarted after the battery had been allowed to discharge, it may have jumped straight to a very high current to recharge it. That would produce fairly frequent "cold starts" going from 0A to something like 60A or more.
lhines_63
@lhines_63November 05, 2026
I've only owned my car for about a week and I'm still figuring things out. Where did those graphs come from?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
It's an app called Carscanner. Pair it with a good OBD adapter, like the OBDLink CX I use, and it can log the data coming from the vehicle's CAN bus sensors.
ned_quarles
@ned_quarlesNovember 07, 2026
So staying in sport mode constantly is apparently good for the car. Okay, noted, haha.
sgreco_71
@sgreco_71November 05, 2026
I only ever drive in custom sport mode, and my battery light still pops up 2 or 3 times a week. For reference, mine is an early 2023 build made in July 2022 and bought in late August 2022, with 30k on it and no ICCU problems so far. I have noticed that since the updates, the car reduces charging power from around 9.6 kW to about 6.5 kW, where before it would just shut off, so I'd been setting my Juicebox to 6.1 kW. After reading about all these failures, and since I'm still on the original 12v battery, I'm thinking it's time to swap it out. Does Interstate make an AGM battery?
pnewcombe_4
@pnewcombe_4November 06, 2026
Yes, Costco carries Interstate AGM batteries for around $159.
sgreco_71
@sgreco_71November 07, 2026
I just read that Interstate got bought out and the quality is poor now, which would explain why I went through 3 of them in 5 years on an older car. Is Odyssey still a good brand?
nate_fairley
@nate_fairleyNovember 07, 2026
Does ECO mode save the HV battery by charging the 12v less often, or at lower amperage but over longer stretches? Though if it's lower amperage for a longer time, the total energy delivered would end up being the same.
lbraun_58
@lbraun_58November 05, 2026
You've clearly put real thought into this as an electrical engineer, so I'm curious: would swapping the flooded-cell battery for an AGM make sense, even though the one in my car is fairly new (it's a 2024 Wind)?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
I don't think it's a bad idea. The factory battery is going to die before long anyway, and unless you end up with a lousy AGM or damage something during the swap, you can't really make things worse. The OEM battery looks awful to me, with a lifespan of maybe 2-3 years before it gives out entirely. By contrast, my old 2012 A4 wagon came with a factory Mercedes AGM that lasted the 4 years I owned it, and who knows how long it had been in there before that. The car sat untouched for almost 5 months, and when I got in during deep winter it fired up on the first try, just a touch sluggish. So a decent AGM could easily outlast the stock battery by a wide margin.
kcrosby_58
@kcrosby_58November 05, 2026
My guess is that the failing 12V batteries sit at a floating nominal voltage, then get dragged down by a small load such as an accessory waking up or a telematics ping, at which point the ICCU turns on the LDC circuit. What I can't tell is whether the LDC is actually isolated. I wonder if a transient coming from AC charging could hit the MOSFETs in the LDC circuit, particularly while the LDC is charging or maintaining the 12V system. I have a suspicion that it could. If that's right, a workaround would be stopping the ICCU from charging the 12V system while the HV pack is being charged from L1/L2 EVSEs. Something else I've seen: since the newest ICCU software, charging current appears more cautious when the HV battery or the connector is running hot. Whether that's tied to the ICCU failures or whether Hyundai just threw a broad fix at the problem, I can't say.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
OBD would let you watch this. There's a metric for LDC input voltage that differs from the BMS value, which suggests it comes from a separate sensor. There's also an "OBC AC voltage" metric that hovers near 0V (not exactly, it wobbles a bit), so the outlet's AC voltage seems to be kept apart from the AC input in the circuit somewhere along the line. Overall I'd guess the LDC is quite strongly isolated from whatever happens in the AC-DC converter, apart from the output side of course. In my logs, even when the AC supply swung by around 12V during charging, the LDC input voltage didn't budge at all. The OBC DC output voltage and LDC DC input voltage have their own sensors, so you can monitor all of it closely. What is clear is that once the car opens its contactors, the high-voltage input to the LDC slowly falls toward 0, even though the 12V side keeps drawing a constant load. The LDC picks that load right back up the moment the contactors close again.
rsimmons_
@rsimmons_November 05, 2026
One idea I've seen floated concerns how the car, and its ICCU, was used early on. I bought mine certified pre-owned with around 4k miles, and the first owner mostly charged on L3 using the EA charging credit. I don't remember where I read it, but someone proposed that higher-rate L2 charging in the early life of these cars was a data point that didn't get enough attention. Could the FETs hold up better if they weren't worked as hard when new in that kind of usage? My ICCU has been fine, though I did have to replace the 12V, and my inlet port overheats during L2 charging whenever the rate goes above 8kW. I've applied every update as soon as I was notified.
rsimmons_
@rsimmons_November 05, 2026
I own a 50A Autel and have tried a number of other units. All of them charged without trouble, even on 100+F days at 50 amps, up until about last September. The Autel still gives me the best rate, whereas I've had to turn the others down below 6kW. I wish someone near me was as into this stuff as I am.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Hmm, it sounds plausible that the pins in your AC inlet are slightly out of alignment. The Ioniq guy had similar trouble until he worked on his connector, and then everything was fine. Maybe you could reach the harness from inside the car and give it a firm push, which could be all it takes. If you aren't already, I'd run CarScanner with a proper ELM OBD adapter and check the AC inlet temperatures.
rsimmons_
@rsimmons_November 06, 2026
I haven't taken the port apart the way he did, but I've cleaned the pins as well as I could without dismantling anything. Time is scarce for me, but once I get some I'll try it, and thanks for the reminder about what the Ioniq guy did. As for adapters, I've been running OBDLink MX and CX units across different cars for years.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 07, 2026
Personally I wouldn't advise taking it apart, even if Corbin managed it fairly easily. My theory is that the pins slowly get pushed back over time, which reduces how deeply they engage and raises contact resistance. Good luck!
lhenning_
@lhenning_November 07, 2026
Which one did you clean, the car's J1772 inlet, the EVSE plug, or both?
rsimmons_
@rsimmons_November 06, 2026
I sprayed both of them down with CRC Contact Cleaner made for electric and hybrid vehicles, and nothing changed at all. I'd been hoping for at least some improvement. Then again, maybe the lack of any change suggests the problem is mechanical, something that could be fixed by taking it apart and putting it back together. 🤷‍♂️
dnovotny
@dnovotnyNovember 05, 2026
Not sure whether this is connected, but my 12V battery died roughly 10 days after the last ICCU logic recall was installed. The dealer insists the car sat on an external 12V charger throughout the update, so they don't believe a deep discharge caused it, though I'm skeptical. Before that, I'd plugged in my OBD tool a number of times and saw the 12V charging behave much like it does in a gas car: at start-up the current into the 12V was high (somewhere around 35 to 45A), then it slowly dropped off as the battery's state of charge approached 100%. I didn't check anything in the days between the recall and the battery failure. Once the 12V was swapped for a new one, though, I got a little obsessive and monitored its numbers for a few weeks. What I've seen consistently since is that the ICCU only feeds the 12V until it hits about 80% SOC, and after that it backs off and supplies just enough to cover whatever the 12V loads are drawing at that moment. I've never seen the 12V SOC read above roughly 81%, and that was most likely a temperature effect after it had already charged to 80%. I can't tell if this apparent 80% ceiling comes from the updated ICCU logic or from the dealer missing a step when they installed the new 12V (they're decent, but I don't feel they're really skilled with EVs yet). Either way, I thought it was worth bringing up.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
I think it's quite plausible that the new logic, which may be meant to ease the burden on the LDC, reduced how hard the 12V gets charged, so the 12V now sags lower than it used to. That explanation makes the most sense to me.
lhenning_
@lhenning_November 05, 2026
From what I've seen, the car never lets the 12V fall under 80%, and charging kicks in at about 12.5V. My guess is that the 12V SOC calibration might be off.
sgreco_71
@sgreco_71November 05, 2026
Wait, "the front and rear oil pumps"? Surely you mean water pumps. The only oil in this car is the transfer case oil in the diffs, and the e-diff can vary torque through a clutch pack (I'm not sure if oil pressure is what controls it), but there's definitely no oil pump of any kind at the front.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 07, 2026
Here you go: a photo from the wiring diagrams showing the electronic oil pumps.
pat_wexcombe
@pat_wexcombeNovember 05, 2026
Apparently the coolant used for the HV system is an oil.
joe_brandvik
@joe_brandvikNovember 07, 2026
In the electric utility world, transformers are all oil-insulated. Water conducts electricity and, for some reason, tends to make them blow up. Highly purified water can be used in the heat exchanger, but if a loop on a 500KV transformer springs a leak on July 4th, you won't need to bother going to your town's fireworks display. That's why water isn't used.
ned_quarles
@ned_quarlesNovember 05, 2026
That's because you all are cheap and bought the knock-off water. /s
sam_kerrigan
@sam_kerriganNovember 05, 2026
Great analysis. Meanwhile people are writing whole theses on ICCU problems, and I'm over here just trying to work out why my Meridian amp shuts off after about 2 seconds. It's driving me crazy.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Amplifier problems have had service campaigns and recalls, so it's worth asking your dealership about it. They may well be able to sort it out for you.
sam_kerrigan
@sam_kerriganNovember 06, 2026
The dealer looked up my VIN and found nothing in their system, so I sent my mechanic the TSB SA520 PDF that's been circulating on the ev6 forum, hoping they'll look again and get it repaired. If that doesn't work, the car is still under warranty at the garage that sold it to me, but that would mean a drive of about 3 hours each way to get it fixed.
dmcvey_54
@dmcvey_54November 06, 2026
I just got back from a night shift and this thread was a fascinating read. It's great to hear everyone's thoughts and experiences with ICCU and 12v failures. My 2023 GT here in the UK only has a BM2 battery monitor on it, but it confirms that the sport and MY settings do charge the 12v at the full rate. That made me pretty happy, since I'm about to put a big SQ sound system in the car and want all the power it can provide (though from what I'm reading it doesn't sound like that's much, or for long). From what I've been told, the most the 12v can receive is 130A, which isn't a lot by current standards. In my favour, an SQ build won't pull silly current chasing a single-note peak SPL number. My plan is to put a Yuasa 9027 AGM up front and a second one in the back, where the spare would have gone, to take some strain off the 12v supply. These failures have had me worried ever since I bought the car almost a year ago, and this thread hasn't exactly helped, lol.
gil_rowntree
@gil_rowntreeNovember 05, 2026
Over at iccu.observer we're attempting to capture an ICCU failure while it's actually happening. Once enough people are contributing logs of their drives and the starts of their charging sessions, the dataset could be of interest to you.
dan_hollister
@dan_hollisterNovember 06, 2026
I don't follow how the car could be in sport mode while it's charging. Wouldn't it have to be switched off, meaning no sport mode?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
In that case I meant the charging of the 12V auxiliary battery.
rcastellano_9
@rcastellano_9November 07, 2026
This is a really thorough analysis, wow. Please keep posting updates as you look into other things, and thanks for all the thinking you put into this.
mkessler_83
@mkessler_83November 05, 2026
Short version of my situation: about 3 months into my lease, with the car having given me no trouble at all, I swapped the factory battery for an AGM. Did that help prevent ICCU problems down the line, or is it probably irrelevant? For context, I drive in ECO mode nearly all the time, rarely use DC fast charging, and limit my home charger to 7 kW.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Pretty much, yes. If you want extra safety margin, a slower AC charging rate lowers internal temperatures. Beyond that, and keeping 400V charging to a minimum, you're good to go.
mkessler_83
@mkessler_83November 05, 2026
Could you explain what you mean by 400V charging here?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Going by the post as I edited it, the LDC temperature seems to track the rear motor inverter temperature pretty closely whenever a Tesla supercharger is in use. That reading was taken on a bitterly cold, very windy winter day. On a milder day you'd reasonably expect temperatures to climb a lot more, which would warm up the ICCU circuitry overall.
joe_brandvik
@joe_brandvikNovember 05, 2026
Great analysis. If the circuit you sketched is right, then those of us with the free 2-year fast charging deal from EA might be much less likely to hit an ICCU failure. I'd love to see the split between DC fast charging and Type 2 AC charging among people who've had ICCU failures, compared with anyone who only DC fast charges. People say DC fast charging does more damage to power density, so where do you land on weighing that against the cost of Type 2 charging? An HV battery runs somewhere around 30K, so it's a real dilemma: DC lowers ICCU failure odds but wears out the pack faster, while Type 2 protects the pack but could fry the FET and blow the fuse. I'm also wondering whether the software fix does anything, and whether the people who fail repeatedly are hit by other factors that most cars don't have. Honestly, I can't wait for the free fast charging to run out so I can blow my own fuse. 🤣
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
There's definitely a trade-off, but my guess, and it's a bit of a gamble, is that HMG picked cells for these cars that favor charging speed over energy density. The pack is physically big yet holds less than rivals that charge more slowly. So fast charging, as long as SOC and temperature are in the right window, probably isn't especially hard on the battery overall. The ideal setup is likely AC charging all the time at 240V and about 16A. Most people can refill their daily usage overnight at that rate, and it keeps heat generation inside the ICCU to a minimum. As for the software "fix," it's only a soft mitigation. It might lower the risk, but clearly it can't stop failures altogether. My suspicion is that cars that fail again and again have some wiring flaw, either on the HV input going into the LDC or somewhere on the 12V +/- output side. Heat could also be the culprit. OBD data might reveal whether someone has a loose or intermittent HV input.
tom_ackerly
@tom_ackerlyNovember 05, 2026
The software update appears to have altered how the 12v battery gets charged too, which hints that they've pinned down one cause and are trying to protect components from damage. Clearly that wasn't sufficient, though, so probably several factors are feeding into the problem.
pete_rinaldi
@pete_rinaldiNovember 06, 2026
I don't know where all your data came from, and I followed maybe two-thirds of it, but I found it fascinating. As far as I can tell, mine failed without matching any of the failure scenarios you proposed. Then again, as you said, many things could be going wrong, which likely explains why Hyundai / Kia struggle to offer a definitive answer.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
Most of what I've noticed comes from being slightly obsessive about OBD data. I enjoy understanding my car as a system, not just transportation, so I tend to dive deep. For the systems themselves, I found a complete schematic online. It's very useful, but it says nothing explicit about what each component does with the signals or power attached to it. For the ICCU, I studied everything I could about the boards to work out the general architecture of the circuits inside. Once I understand the individual parts on the boards better, I may write another post with more detail. With this post, my main aim is to explain what the ICCU is and to use the information available now to suggest possible risk factors. When power electronics fail, working out which components died and need replacing is usually straightforward. A definitive "cause of death" is much harder, unless you can reproduce the failure reliably with electrical monitoring hooked to the board. These failures are inconsistent, extremely rare given the mean time before failure, and occur deep inside a module, so HMG most likely still doesn't know the cause. The ICCU contains a number of voltage and current sensors, so live data from a failure (if the car logs it, which I doubt) together with the failed unit might give a better picture of what happened. Realistically, though, the only real solution is replacing the hardware with an improved circuit.
ellis_k
@ellis_kNovember 05, 2026
What exactly do you mean by "limiting 12 V loads"? Should I wait 5-10 minutes after an overnight L2 charge finishes (or after ending a V2L session) before switching the car on and driving normally? Or does it mean not using sport mode for the first 5-10 minutes after L2 charging? I'd like this clarified because my 12V battery still seems healthy, and I almost never use 400V chargers. When I do DC charge, about 1-2 times a month on road trips, it's always 800V through Electrify America. That means, going by your analysis, "limiting 12V loads right after prolonged AC charging or discharging" is pretty much the only meaningful way left for me to cut my risk.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Basically yes, though I still need to test how it behaves. I think the thing to do is make sure the car reaches its charge limit during L2 charging. My guess is the system stays active briefly after charging ends while the plug remains connected, and during that window it circulates coolant through the components, which should cool them down right away.
ellis_k
@ellis_kNovember 05, 2026
For the whole 3 years I've owned the car, I've finished my overnight L2 sessions at essentially the very moment I head out to work, 2-3 times a week. I can try stopping about 10 minutes before leaving from now on, but if that habit would have helped, the damage it could have prevented is surely already done. Thanks for the advice, and with luck I'm fine regardless.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 07, 2026
The AC charging speed matters as well. If you're running it at the 11kw maximum, it could have an effect, but at anything below 7kw it almost certainly makes no difference.
ellis_k
@ellis_kNovember 05, 2026
Maybe my situation isn't as bad as I (kind of) feared. Like plenty of other EGMP cars, my EV6 suffers from an overheating charge port during Level 2 charging. My setup can deliver around 9.2 kW, yet the port gets too hot somewhere between 30 minutes and 2 hours into a session at that rate. Following the TSB software updates from Hyundai/Kia, the car cuts the power to roughly 5-5.5 kW once it hits that temperature. What that means in practice is that for a 7-hour session, the last 5 hours or more run at around 5.0-5.5 kW. So, good news!
rwexford_
@rwexford_November 07, 2026
At home I only ever charge at 11 kW. My EVSE (an Emporia) has a power graph, and it shows the car pulling full power and then cutting off right away. There's no tapering or reduced-power cooldown period at the end.
cstrand_70
@cstrand_70November 06, 2026
I'd already replaced the 12V battery twice and it kept dying, so I finally tried a trick someone shared on a forum. First I jump-started the car, then in my garage I switched it into ready-to-drive three times in a row (it shuts itself off after 90 minutes each time). That same night I left it plugged into my home Level 2 charger. Next morning, to my surprise, it started normally. I drove to the office and parked in the garage there for nearly 30 days while I was away on a personal trip. I fully expected a dead 12V when I got back, but the EV6 started fine, and ever since, the 12V has behaved as it should. My guess is that the procedure made the software reprogram or reset something, since the unit is charging the battery again (the amber light on the dashboard is lighting up once more).
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Wait, a brand-new 12V died on you? I didn't expect that. If you need the car on for long stretches, try utility mode, which also pins 12V charging at full output (about 14.5V). In my experience, fairly frequent short trips seemed to cause the trouble, whereas leaving the car sitting for days actually helped. My theory is that after you switch the car off, there's a preset delay before it wakes up to charge the 12V, and with lots of short trips that timer never gets reached. I also suspect the timer length depends on the 12V's state of charge/health algorithm: a very healthy battery gets a longer timer, a weaker one a shorter timer. I believe something similar showed up with Sony or Samsung OLED TVs in RTINGS' long-term burn-in testing; if my timer explanation is confusing, their write-up of an almost identical timer system should explain it better. Anyway, based on everything I've seen, my best advice is to leave the car in utility mode for several hours so the 12V is fully topped up, let it rest about an hour, then disconnect the 12V leads, wait a minute or so, and reconnect. It's all theory, but if your 12V keeps dying, particularly a freshly replaced one, I suspect that's the best way to recalibrate things properly. I've also got some thoughts on the drain itself. My car was fine when I drove to lunch, and three hours later the battery read 7V. When I jumped it, the voltage was only 11.2V even with a 500A booster attached, and the battery was discharging at 20A. That makes me think some load got stuck on. When you lock the car it actually draws about 240W so the electronics can report its location, last trip data and so on, and I wonder whether a bug in that code sometimes keeps the car from sleeping so it keeps pulling from the 12V. All of this is speculation, but without a deeper understanding of the 12V charging logic we won't settle this drain problem.
cstrand_70
@cstrand_70November 06, 2026
It wasn't just one new battery but two, and each time the dealer swapped out the old one saying it was "defective."
ned_quarles
@ned_quarlesNovember 05, 2026
My guess is either flyback in corner cases holding a FET closed, or some overly aggressive behavior on weak 12V batteries causing odd 'funkiness'. Otherwise I agree with most of what you said.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
I bought a used ICCU off eBay for $200. It's supposedly working, though I'd honestly rather it be dead. Either way I'll tear it down thoroughly and redraw the remaining parts of the circuit as a schematic. What I want right now is to put as much solid, verified information as possible in people's hands so they aren't constantly guessing. Once the whole circuit is mapped out, I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable than me can spot weak points, or that we can compare it against owners' experiences of failures to work out what's actually breaking. Once we know which component fails, we'll have a better chance of understanding why it fails. Realistically, though, Hyundai has already done all this work, even funding research papers on solutions to the very problems in this circuit. So I think I already have a pretty good idea, and it'll all be in my full breakdown.
ned_quarles
@ned_quarlesNovember 05, 2026
Neat project. I hope you manage to capture everything on a scope, since reproducing faults can be a real nightmare sometimes.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Power electronics failures especially. My employer uses the same DC-DC conversion IC in about 80% of our products, and I'm on the troubleshooting side, so I'd say I have unusual experience here, though I won't call myself an expert. I'm hoping the unit I ordered really has failed so I can learn from it. If it works, sadly getting real data from it running would be nearly impossible, because I'd have to feed it the right CAN data and about 750V input.
mpeterka_32
@mpeterka_32November 07, 2026
Can you explain what you meant by this: "limiting 12V loads immediately after (less than 5 minutes after) 400V charging or prolonged AC charging or discharging are probably the best ways to minimize risk"? I'm thinking about getting an EV6 for work and swapping straight to an AGM battery. As an Ioniq 5 owner, it looks to me like most ICCU problems trace back to the awful OEM 12V that Hyundai gave us (I assume Kia uses the same one).
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
My earlier suggestion was really just a way to keep the LDC from running so hot, but honestly what needs studying is how this circuit actually fails. I've ordered an ICCU off eBay that's supposedly working (for about $200, which makes me a bit skeptical), and I'm hoping it turns out to be a dead unit I can open up. As far as I can tell there are several leading explanations. The one I favor right now is voltage spikes across the rectifier FETs. Hyundai paid for a research paper on a "novel method of synchronous rectification to minimize voltage spikes," which reads like they struggled with exactly that. Also, the ICCU firmware update was labeled "EWP, Vpeak," which suggests to me they altered how the electric water pump behaves and tweaked things to cut down on spikes. When the used unit shows up, I plan to study the circuit closely and try to redraw it as a schematic so people with more power-electronics expertise can review it. Where I land for now: depending on the circuit layout (still unknown), the firmware update may have directly affected the very part of the circuit that was failing. If so, the new firmware could be a real improvement, or even a fix, provided there's no underlying hardware defect or earlier damage.
wren_tasker
@wren_taskerNovember 07, 2026
Mine died on the highway. I'd done a 100% charge on a 400V charger, then switched on the remote AC climate afterward, and that's when it failed. I wish someone had told me to limit 12V loads right after (within 5 minutes of) 400V charging.
gus_wilcox
@gus_wilcoxNovember 05, 2026
Hi all. I really like this discussion and would like to contribute, because my 2022 EV6 GT-Line has the same cursed 12V battery problem. About a year ago it happened and the original battery got swapped out. That replacement is roughly a year old now and the same symptoms are back. The car goes totally dead, but only after some activity, like driving a short way, stopping, and trying to go again, or today when I reversed out of the garage. I've seen the drain: the 12V battery was down at 5V while the traction battery SOC was about 91%. I own an OBDLink CX+ and use Car Scanner Pro, so could someone list which sensors I should log so I can pass the data to people who know this stuff? I drive about 120 km three days a week and am happy to run whatever tests anyone suggests. I'm calling the dealership on Monday regardless.
kdelmore_
@kdelmore_November 07, 2026
Great write-up, thanks. A few thoughts. First, voltage: the drive motors are inductive, so they produce back EMF during acceleration and deceleration, which can cause brief spikes over nominal voltage. I'd hope there's filtering for that and that the FETs you mention are heavily overrated so it doesn't matter. Second, current: acceleration and regen can run at several multiples of the C rate, and 6-10C isn't unusual in those moments. Pulling away from a stop uphill with a full load, for example, drags a huge amount of current from the drive battery. Third, heat: at those peaks the FETs work hardest and warm up the most. If cooling is inadequate or the FET-to-heatsink bond is poor, they derate in ways the paper design didn't foresee. That's where the root cause lives: voltage, current, thermals and operating conditions. Something is pushing the design beyond its intended envelope, assuming the FETs are in spec. (Marginal FETs do periodically enter the market, particularly from second-tier suppliers with frankly poor QC.) A side question: at the very highest DC charging rate, things obviously heat up. I assume the charge logic ramps current up gradually so conditions stay good, rather than slamming it on. I'd also assume pumps are circulating coolant and fans are running to carry heat away. Could those fans and pumps be on the 12V supply and therefore drain the battery faster during these sessions? Does the control logic account for that draw while it's busy managing the main battery? Just curious. Kia pushes hard on how fast these cars charge. To deliver that marketing benefit, are they stressing the ICCU past its design envelope? I work in failure analysis (the people you hope never to meet!), so I'd expect a torn-down ICCU to show evidence of stress. Do the FETs look stressed, such as browned markings? Does any thermal paste look dried out or flaky from extreme heat, or do they use pads instead? I wish I had a schematic. Empirically, I'd think an OBD-II scanner could capture and graph everything needed to pinpoint the event that snowballs into the actual failure.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
I've learned a great deal since writing this up. I bought an ICCU that had been described as fine, but it turned out to have failed catastrophically, and I've taken it apart and mostly characterized its circuit. It's an active clamp forward converter built around an LT3752 chip, which the main FPGA controls from outside. The FPGA modulates a signal that sets the circuit's maximum duty cycle, and that in turn caps the maximum output current. My leading theory is now voltage stress. The ICCU sees its heaviest load while the 12V battery is charging, which often (not always) happens at the start of a drive, and a disproportionate share of failures occur at that point. I still need to characterize the whole circuit to be certain, but I believe that at peak load a transient could put an overvoltage on the primary FET. After several such overvoltage events, the FET eventually fails shorted. That draws a huge current from the battery, over 40A, which the 40A fuse can tolerate briefly. The transformer ends up loaded with far too much current, so when the FET melts and goes from a short to high impedance, a massive voltage spike appears across its drain and source. Arcing follows and everything goes haywire. What puzzles me most is the fuse and exactly how the MOSFET moves from failed-short to higher impedance. Without knowing what the fuse did in this particular car, I can't draw firm conclusions. Thermal over-stress of the components is possible, but seems unlikely given how far below their power and temperature limits they run. Overvoltage stress looks like the only plausible culprit to me. The 12V conversion circuit only reaches a 1800W peak if several things coincide. 12V battery charging peaks around 450W, the rear defroster draws more than 500W if I recall correctly, and the baseline for vehicle systems is about 300-400W. Add heated seats, the HVAC blower and so on, all running together. That sounds unlikely, yet it's perfectly normal in cold months, and I easily reproduced a case where my ICCU was putting out 1750W. In summary: the ICCU appears to fail at the start of a drive, which I think ties to the heavier 12V load typically present then. Because of how a forward converter works, the conversion circuit is most prone to overvoltage at those loads. Cumulative damage from repeated overvoltage events eventually produces a short, which cascades into arcing and an open circuit.
kdelmore_
@kdelmore_November 05, 2026
That strikes me as a solid analysis. The key is that the ICCU acts like an alternator, charging the 12V battery while also serving heavy demand from peripheral systems, and that combination sets the conditions for blowing out. A large fuse outlasting the FET is not unusual. Note that Tesla moved to poly fuses, which reset themselves and also "blow" faster than metal-link fuses. It would be interesting to see whether the fuse shows discoloration or stress too; it should. From a failure-analysis angle, the FET could possibly (though not certainly) be decapped to determine whether overvoltage or overcurrent was involved. A few questions. The blown FET seems to be mounted so a heatsink attaches on top; what was the state of the thermal management, and how is it mounted and isolated? Since the chassis is ground, the isolation has to be electrically non-conductive yet highly thermally conductive. Also, FETs need very little to turn on, so could the gate have picked up an unintended spike that triggered this?
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
The FET was literally cracked in two when I pulled it off the board, so it effectively decapped itself. A screw coming from the opposite side of the PCB pulls the FET down onto a thermal pad against the underside of the chassis, which has a single U-shaped coolant channel. The gate pin has marks of a small arc, though that probably says nothing about what started the failure. Gate drive goes through an ACPL-K34T-type optocoupler, and I haven't yet checked it for any obvious fault. My best guess is that the duty-cycle cap algorithm has a limited slew rate, so a transient can push the circuit past its ratings before the control loop catches up. I found patents describing that duty-limit control, and the data logs clearly show output current being ramped up and down slowly.
kdelmore_
@kdelmore_November 07, 2026
Thanks. Just spitballing here: is the screw through the FET effectively at chassis (DC) ground? The thermal pad isolates the FET, but the screw wouldn't. Or is the FET's hole electrically isolated so no insulating bushing is needed? I wonder whether vibration and thermal expansion and contraction could let the screw touch something and create a dead short to ground. The metallurgy on that middle pin looks odd to me. Can you help me read the image: left to right, is it drain, source, gate? And is the tab tied to drain? Lastly, the middle pin is bent away to increase isolation from the two outer ones; did they bend it far enough? (I suspect one theory is that moisture bridges that gap.)
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Here's the FET's datasheet. The screw ought to be completely electrically isolated from the FET, and I can't see how it would cause trouble. I'm not sold on the moisture theory either, since the vent on the side of the unit is essentially sealed, and I'm quite confident moisture isn't getting in through it. Moisture could be present and could cause arcing between drain and source, but that doesn't account for blown fuses and totally exploded FETs. The exception would be if the arc first went to the gate side and the gate failed badly, locking the FET on. It's rated for 43A continuous, so it could do a huge amount of damage.
kdelmore_
@kdelmore_November 05, 2026
Got it, thanks. So the tab is the drain, which is common.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 06, 2026
I left the image out of my last post. I haven't yet looked at the transformer or the remaining parts of the circuit, but I'm fairly confident I'll be able to show that overvoltage was what originally caused this failure.
corey_lund
@corey_lundNovember 05, 2026
Hi Kenny, I'm an electrical design engineer too, and this is an excellent writeup and analysis. I'd been hoping to track down a failed ICCU on eBay with a common failure mode to use as a starting point for my own investigation, and it looks like you got lucky with yours. You clearly know the topology well by now. I might still buy one of these eBay units to study it further, since the LT3752 can't take 800VDC straight down to 12VDC by itself. Do you know what intermediate controller and topology handle the big high-voltage step-down from 800V? One more question: what voltage does the climate control, the heat pump in particular, run from? A system capped at around 1.8kW would seem to get taxed fast by it. Credit to Kia, too. A design with such a huge conversion ratio, high output power and bidirectional operation is hard to pull off. That said, I can't defend how they've handled fixing the problem.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
Like most vehicles with an integrated traction battery, hybrids included, the compressor runs off the HV bus. The LT3752-1 is said to accept practically any input voltage, since it has no direct net tied to Vin. The exact variant in the ICCU isn't documented online, but LTSPICE ships with a model and example circuit for it. It's the LT3752-2, which looks like a stripped-down version, going by the sample circuit, with all the housekeeping circuitry removed. I'm sure the LT3752 drives the switching directly, although the gate drive signals pass through opto-isolators. Current sensing feedback uses a rather janky transformer arrangement. The comp pin, which sets the voltage threshold on the positive current sense pin and thus the supply's current limit, is fed by a square wave from the FPGA that gets smoothed with passive filtering. A patent lays out in detail the algorithm behind that square wave, and it's quite involved. So my theory is that some edge case in the algorithm can push the circuit beyond normal operating conditions and destroy the switch.
hkowal_17
@hkowal_17November 05, 2026
I'm arriving late, having come over from the Ioniq 5 subforum, and I have a few points. First, the NHTSA recall campaign says the warranty parts that were examined had failed FETs in the LDC circuit. If that holds, then how we AC charge or use V2L shouldn't matter, because that isn't the circuit that's failing. Second, that looks like only one set of failure modes. Others exist, such as ones involving the OBC, so I don't think you can conclude that all AC charging is safe. Third, sport mode seems to play into this somehow. The 12V battery charging logic differs there from eco or normal. For whatever reason, the mode pins the LDC output at its maximum, charging the 12V as hard and fast as possible. Nothing I've seen ties this to ICCU failures, but the behavior is worth knowing about. Is it actually confirmed that the locked output voltage is about charging the 12V battery? My assumption would be that in SPORT mode the aim is to give every 12V system full power so nothing responds late, since you want the car at peak performance. Holding the 12V bus higher does let the 12V battery take current when its own voltage is low, but I wonder whether that's the main purpose or just a side effect of giving the other 12V systems unrestricted power. Another possibility is that the LDC can't always react instantly to sudden 12V load spikes, so the battery ends up doing more of the buffering. Then a higher bus voltage keeps the battery in a good working state, ready to supply whatever the car needs without lag. By contrast, the LDC's varying output in ECO and NORMAL probably reflects a conservative approach: just enough power for all the 12V loads to run reliably and no more, which boosts overall efficiency without overdriving the battery. It's complicated...
tom_ackerly
@tom_ackerlyNovember 05, 2026
To me, AC charging current looks like the biggest factor. Among people reporting ICCU failures, those charging at lower voltages, and so at higher current, are so heavily overrepresented that I'm convinced it's heat damage, from either switching losses or excess resistance in the current path. People on three-phase 400V (16 amps for 11 kW) almost never seem to report an ICCU failure.
nate_fairley
@nate_fairleyNovember 06, 2026
"Almost never see anyone on three-phase 400V (16 amps for 11 kW) reporting ICCU failure." That's classic sample bias. Hardly anyone charges on 3-phase 400V to begin with, so naturally nobody in that group reports a failure either.
tom_ackerly
@tom_ackerlyNovember 06, 2026
That's nonsense. Across Europe, public chargers are commonly three-phase at 11kW, and some offer 22kW. In my country most home chargers are hardwired three-phase as well. With so many EVs on our roads, a flood of ICCU failures would be obvious. I've also asked a number of dealers, and they told me they have swapped ICCUs, but only rarely. So the bias is yours.
nate_fairley
@nate_fairleyNovember 05, 2026
How many EV6s does your country have compared with the rest of the world that isn't on 400V? And how many of those owners are actually on this forum, given that it leans heavily toward the US?
tom_ackerly
@tom_ackerlyNovember 05, 2026
Everyone knows the forum is skewed. Reading it, you'd think 98% of cars will get an ICCU problem, which isn't true. Across most of the world, Europe, Asia and Africa included, household voltage is 220-240V. Only America and part of Japan use 110-120V. So it's fair to say most EV6s worldwide charge on higher mains voltage. The mods ought to split the ICCU posts off into a US-only section.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 05, 2026
I plan to run some experiments on AC charging voltage and current against the resulting OBC and LDC temps. Still, unless you're sitting in the car with lots of 12V loads running, charging at high power in hot ambient conditions, I doubt it causes major trouble. As an example, I recently charged at 40A on 208V for 45 minutes. During the session the LDC ran about 12°C cooler than the cooler of the two OBC temp sensors and 35° cooler than the other one. Within about 2 minutes of unplugging, temps fell to sensible levels. So perhaps running heavy 12V loads such as heated seats right after AC charging could load the ICCU while it's still hot.
lhenning_
@lhenning_November 07, 2026
Hyundai Motor Group apparently named thermal cycling as one cause of the failures, if I remember right. That fits what we saw: a flood of ICCU failures during the cold snaps last winter, shortly after the previous recall. My suspicion is that parts swinging from around -10F up to 150F or more and then back toward freezing over the course of one winter charge are taking a beating.
mortensen_l
@mortensen_lNovember 07, 2026
What I'd expect from cold like that is flaky electrical connections. Inside the ICCU the separate boards are linked by conductive posts, and if tolerances shift or small gaps open up there, you could get spikes in voltage or current.
joe_brandvik
@joe_brandvikNovember 07, 2026
Are these units sealed airtight? Probably not, I'd guess. If they aren't fully potted, moisture could form when hot air cools below freezing, which worries me. And if they are potted, then I'd wonder about how the heat gets out.
tom_ackerly
@tom_ackerlyNovember 06, 2026
A teardown I watched showed the boards coated with a clear sealant, so moisture shouldn't get into the electronics, and the capacitors even get cooled. Still, the caps are what I'd be most wary of, since over the last 20 years or so I've run into way too many bad or cheap ones.
joe_brandvik
@joe_brandvikNovember 08, 2026
I'd bet those caps were electrolytic ones, and that's no accident.